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November 3, 2016 at 7:30 am #863415
J242ParticipantDave: “I must be just like Trump. I don’t like paying for stuff people don’t deliver either. ”
That is not the case and you know it. He has a long history of agreeing to purchases or services and then, only after the businesses completed their end of the bargain, negotiating down what was already agreed upon or simply not paying at all when the bill comes due. There are dozens upon dozens of verified accounts of this.http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/13/politics/trump-small-business-owners/
http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-business-plan-left-a-trail-of-unpaid-bills-1465504454
http://fortune.com/2016/09/30/donald-trump-stiff-contractors/He doesn’t even pay out the charity funds he publicly touts until the press jumps on him about it and rubs his lies in his face.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/05/donald-trump-foundation-allegations-charity-new-york
How you can have the gall to flip it on the people who met the conditions of their agreement is offensive. Look into the dozens upon dozens of cases of this, this is not a case of refusing to pay for poor service, it’s getting great service and saying “Well, we agreed upon this amount but I’m only going to pay you 1/3rd of that. What are you going to do, sue me? Good luck with that!”
It’s well documented and he’s even bragged about it. As a self proclaimed “small businessman” yourself I would hope you could have a shred of empathy but it seems like you’ve fallen into the Stockholm Syndrome spiral. You just wish you could be Trump so you’re willing to excuse anything and everything even though if anyone ever tried pulling his actions on you, you’d be furious.
Talk about voting against your own best interests!November 3, 2016 at 8:21 am #863416
waynsterParticipantNovember 3, 2016 at 10:53 am #863438
captainDaveParticipantredblack: No connection to the Clinton’s? Looks like you got suckered by Bill’s orgy island scamster again. Jeffrey Epstein is Clinton’s pimp. I am sure anything that comes from his digs is really credible. Good luck with your fodder. Like I said, if there was a crime, actual police officers would be involved, not a law firm backed by the Clintons twenty years after the fact.
If Trump has a 10% chance of winning, I’m in. Think of it like I’m buying the bullet for you to play a round of Russian roulette. :) If Trump has a chance of winning the Soviet Republic of Washington, then his chances across the US are pretty good.
J242: Did you really audit the books of the 500 companies Trump is involved with? Or did you just get all your information spoon fed to you from the establishment controlled media again? I am not going to even bother posting a rebuttal because you have no interest in truth or logic. If you do, you can look it up yourself.
If you think Trump is so bad, why do you excuse Hillary’s integral role in the White Water scam where so many innocent people lost everything? Trump is not the one who is continually being investigated for fraud. Hillary and her cronies can stay one step ahead of the law by buying our government. People who have a problem with that often wind up dead. Why do you think our government should be run by a criminal cartel who is above the law?
Besides, you do realize that the president does not actually pay the bills for the US government, don’t you? I am not voting for Trump for his paymaster skills, but rather his common sense, realistic approach to fixing things that we all know are severely broken.
What do you think is going to happen when the debt crisis comes to head soon? Or are you one of those dreamers who think that the US can go on forever shrinking real production while growing the government dole? I will let you in on a little secret: It doesn’t matter who get’s elected, the market is going to crash and the government will be faced with default or currency dilution. Either way, your entitlements, pension, savings and other contracted expectations are going to be severely diminished in the near future. Sorry, but that’s not conjecture, its called math.
Trump at least has the experience with handling complex financial reorganizations where Hillary essentially says she will do everything that Venezuela is doing in a financial crisis. (I hear ex con Martha Stuart is supporting Hillary by already working on a cook book for preparing wonderful dishes from dogs, cats, pigeons and grass clippings.)
If this country does not find a way to get productive again, a lot of people will die in the streets because of people like you who were unwilling to face reality.
November 3, 2016 at 4:49 pm #863456
redblackParticipantgot a link to the comment about epstein, dave? read the snopes link i provided. it says that epstein (i wonder if he’s related to the guy from welcome back kotter…) is trump’s codefendant, and trump is quoted as saying that jeffrey’s just a bigly spectacular guy who knows his way around the female anatomy ifyaknowwhatimean.
that’s all i know about the guy, and really the entire story. honestly.
got some citation for your claim about him and bill being tight friends? educate me.
November 3, 2016 at 4:57 pm #863457
redblackParticipantsoviet republic of washington. good one, dave!
capitalists seem to like it here pretty well. maybe you should expect them to finance all of the income-stealing social programs that we, the people, vote to sustain.
i certainly expect them to do more, and if they had better natures, they might be more generous people – more christian and less worshipers of mamon, if you can dig it – people who don’t hire accountants, overpaid banksters, and lawyers to dodge their tax obligation to their neighbors who subsist on crumbs.
but since you seem to hate us lefties and the filthy rich in broadmoor and clyde hill, why the hell do you stay here?
November 3, 2016 at 7:03 pm #863475
JanSParticipantj242…he’s even said he wants to negotiate the debt like that …you know, like 10 cents on the dollar…take it or don’t get paid – lol (I’m not sure what he wants to negotiate it down to, actually) Or maybe he’ll just declare the govt. bankrupt, like his 4 year old hotel in Toronto that just declared.. O_o
November 3, 2016 at 7:06 pm #863477
miwsParticipantNovember 3, 2016 at 7:07 pm #863478
miwsParticipantNovember 3, 2016 at 7:07 pm #863479
JanSParticipantI heart you, MIWS!
November 3, 2016 at 7:57 pm #863486
captainDaveParticipantredblack: Who said I hate the “filthy rich” that’s your socialist narrative. I just hate you communist lefties :) Not really. My great uncle was a wobbly here in Seattle back in the 20’s. he was sort of the black sheep in the family. In 1936, the postmaster general of the US, James Farley, reportedly referred to “the 47 states and the Soviet of Washington”–partly because of my great uncle. I now live a few doors down from the original communist headquarters for the Northwest–a building that was put up around 1914. It was vacated prior to the second world war for obvious reasons. I can get along fine with you lefties, as long as you stay out of my way.
You said: “got some citation for your claim about him (Epstein) and bill being tight friends? educate me.” Here you go: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/13/flight-logs-show-bill-clinton-flew-on-sex-offenders-jet-much-more-than-previously-known.html
The reason why the mainstream media hasn’t pickup up on your story is because it’s not credible. It was produced and perpetuated by people in the lefty media biz.
http://ijr.com/2016/10/717180-a-woman-is-now-claiming-trump-raped-her-at-13-years-old-heres-what-you-need-to-know/
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/10/09/two-odd-political-stories-that-carry-a-clintonian-style-connection/comment-page-1/There are literally hundreds if not thousands of flimsy cases like this on the Clinton side that you totally ignore. The difference is that most of the Clinton cases were not started by politically motivated media people and have a lot more credible evidence like real victim names for instance. But keep up your fantasy in avoiding the truth–I want to hear your head explode when reality finally hits you.
BTW: Looks like your girl will be going down in flames soon: http://www.aol.com/article/news/2016/11/03/sources-fbis-clinton-foundation-investigation-will-likely-lea/21598104/ Nothing like having two intense FBI investigations going at the same time. I know, you refuse to believe it until Hillary has exhausted all appeals and is rotting away in a prison cell.
JanS: You might study the current situation in Venezuela to familiarize yourself with how you would be living if Hillary is elected.
November 4, 2016 at 5:37 am #863528
waynsterParticipantits rigged not….. but the comics have fun with it …..lmfao
November 5, 2016 at 9:33 am #863644
waynsterParticipantNovember 6, 2016 at 7:06 am #863712
redblackParticipantmy head isn’t going to explode, dave. everyone knows bill clinton is or has been a philandering creep. pedophile? i wouldn’t have thought it.
but let’s give fox news the benefit of the doubt for once.
even so, donald trump will be going to court in december to find out if the case has merit. it’s a fact.
and your contention is that there are no such suits against the clintons because they simply have people who oppose them killed?
that still smacks of black helicopters and tinfoil hats, pal.
November 6, 2016 at 11:49 am #863751
captainDaveParticipantredblack: On one hand, we have this “big” case against Trump about raping a 13 year old “jane doe” at Bill Clinton’s friends party twenty years ago–a case that was thrown out by a California judge and now picked up by a Clinton-connected law firm in New York. Despite airing every bit of controversy they can find on Trump, the mainstream media is somehow avoiding this HUGE story and the police have no interest in investigating this odious crime.
On the other hand, you have clear evidence of Clinton crimes being reported by the FBI, agents being held back by the DOJ, and clandestine meetings with the attorney general who is not suppose to have contact with crime suspects.
I did not say there were no lawsuits against the Clintons. There are many (Including by Judicial Watch). Civil lawsuits are easy for anyone to file. Both candidates are targets for frivolous claims. However, actual crime investigations are currently only occurring on the Clinton side.
If elected, there is no doubt that there would be a sustained effort to impeach Clinton. There are just too many people who cannot forgive her long list of offenses. However, if she is in full control of the country, there will be no need for black helicopters.
November 6, 2016 at 11:51 am #863753
JanSParticipantand I will counter, Dave…
.@JamesCarville sat down with college students to talk about a #Trump presidency.
Watch what happens next: pic.twitter.com/BObxQiTiQD
— Bridge Project (@BridgeProject21) November 2, 2016
November 6, 2016 at 11:56 am #863755
JanSParticipantDave, I’ve been waiting to say this…you are so full of crap…you repeat things that are put out by Breitbart, by FBI agents who have an agenda fueled by a book called “Clinton Cash”, written by a man on Breitbart, and debunked. Your Venezuela thing? Bullcrap, pure conjecture in your mind. Prove it. You can’t. Now you’re going to tell us that you can predict the future? It’s all laughable. We do not take you or these white nationalists seriously.Conspiracy, conspiracy indeed.
Actual crime investigations? Can you say Trump University? And that’s only one. Can you say Mrs. Trump working illegally in the US? Being investigated…there’s two…keep talking, buddy.
Lastly, you are laughable…google is your friend :
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/donald-trump-scandals/474726/
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/11/11/donald-trump-companies-destroyed-emails-documents-515120.html
should I go on?
November 6, 2016 at 12:38 pm #863768
JanSParticipantlastly, Dave…just this morning..
November 6, 2016 at 7:30 pm #863792
JoBParticipantcaptain Dave..
Do you know who Trump plans to “negotiate” the US debt with?
the Recipients of social security.. who are the low hanging fruit when it comes to holders of us securities…
yup.. the US govt owes the money to the Social Security Trust Fund…
which was never supposed to be tapped for any reason.. until…go look it up for yourself.
November 6, 2016 at 7:32 pm #863793
JoBParticipantJKB
killing the messenger is not an effective argument to begin with
but it is so much more more defensible when your allegations have even the smallest shred of truth..i not only write all of my own material
i expect to get credit for it.when you jump on a bandwagon it’s a good idea to make sure that it has wheels
November 6, 2016 at 9:30 pm #863803
JKBParticipantHuh? I haven’t said anything here in days. JoB, did you mean to point at someone else?
November 6, 2016 at 10:31 pm #863808
J242ParticipantI’m just wondering why my previous comment has yet to show up. I’ve attempted to politely respond to the Captain’s remarks for two days with no luck. I wonder if this post will even make it through.
November 6, 2016 at 10:35 pm #863812
captainDaveParticipantJanS: Here’s a prediction for you: If Hillary is elected, there will be an economic crash the likes of which you have never experienced. If Trump is elected, the same thing will happen. The only difference is that Trump can recover America from a crash and Hillary cannot. The proof is in history if you bother to study anything but the communist manifesto.
JoB: People will not have as much concern about Social Security under Hillary because she supports both late term and post term (elderly) abortions. When medical services get scarce, we will be talking about the obligation to die. (You will probably have the freedom to choose which day of the week for your death–an amazing array of options from the big government you so deserve.)
Looming shortage:
http://www.healthline.com/health-news/doctor-shortage-we-may-need-an-additional-90000-physicians-by-2025-092715BTW: Looks like you are dead wrong about Trump’s social security plan. He doesn’t want to decrease benefits. He want’s the rich to give up their benefits and eliminate fraud. The plan looks pretty progressive for a republican:
https://www.thestreet.com/story/13465541/1/donald-trump-s-social-security-plan-makes-a-lot-of-sense.htmlNovember 6, 2016 at 10:35 pm #863811
J242ParticipantDave: “Did you really audit the books of the 500 companies Trump is involved with? Or did you just get all your information spoon fed to you from the establishment controlled media again? ”
I would hardly call Media Matters, Snopes, FactCheck or the hundreds of lawsuits targeting him for the same issues “establishment controlled media”. Watch out, the WSB might post an article about something happening at a political rally! If it doesn’t massage your opinion it must mean the WSB sold out to the big MSM right? Sheesh… As such a savvy businessman with so many successful businesses I would have assumed you’d be familiar with the concept of “selling out your good will”. He does it constantly with small businesses and contractors, especially when he doesn’t plan to use them again. Why pay what he agreed when he can cut it down by 1/4 or 1/3 and know that the person will have to take it because fighting it would be even more costly for them? That’s predatory and despicable.
“Besides, you do realize that the president does not actually pay the bills for the US government, don’t you? I am not voting for Trump for his paymaster skills, but rather his common sense, realistic approach to fixing things that we all know are severely broken.”
Which common sense? When he’s pro-life or pro-choice? When he’s pro-immigration or anti-immigration? When he’s for the Iraq war or against claiming he was never for it? Luckily for you, any position you might have an opinion on he’s got you covered for regardless of which side you fall on! lol
“If you think Trump is so bad, why do you excuse Hillary’s integral role in the White Water scam where so many innocent people lost everything?”
So, you have some kind of smoking gun that the FBI and multiple DAs couldn’t find for over a decade? By all means, send it to Breitbart and see if it goes anywhere, or you can stop posting straw men up everywhere and address the meat of the issue. There is no point by point comparison.
You are supporting a misogynistic, racist, close minded, hateful person who’s business record can’t compare to a basic index fund investment strategy.“What do you think is going to happen when the debt crisis comes to head soon?”
Why do you think his tax cuts plan will in any way reduce the debt? Do you know what the definition of insanity is? Doing the same thing repeatedly expecting different results. Boosting the top while cutting income to the government to pay it’s debts didn’t work under Reagan, or Bush Sr, or Bush Jr. Why do you think it will work now? Maybe because you’d rather not actually think critically about it and want to keep sticking to your emotions?
” I will let you in on a little secret: It doesn’t matter who get’s elected, the market is going to crash and the government will be faced with default or currency dilution.”
Oh please do go on oh mystical Captain. What are the lotto numbers going to be tomorrow?
You can assume and hypothesize but the one thing all indicators are point at is that Trump being elected would cause market chaos on the national and international stages.Remember, this is the guy endorsed by the KKK, Putin and Jon-Ill. Great company you keep there Cap’n.
“Trump at least has the experience with handling complex financial reorganizations where Hillary essentially says she will do everything that Venezuela is doing in a financial crisis. (I”
You mean, he’s hired enough attorneys & financial reps to take care of his problems for him. Do you think for even a second he actually went through the paperwork? This coming from a guy who claimed for months that he “couldn’t” release his returns because of being audited? Oh, but him lying to you and now just saying he won’t because he doesn’t want to is fine by you? Your criteria for what qualifies as “experience” is very bizarre. Very fitting with your candidate.
“If this country does not find a way to get productive again, a lot of people will die in the streets because of people like you who were unwilling to face reality.”
Except that we’re the 3rd most productive nation in the world and our productivity is increasing. Just because it’s not in your sector doesn’t mean it’s not happening. Renewable energy is a huge, growing market as is the medical industry, IT and many, many more…
http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/9138-fastest-growing-industries.htmlYou see doom & gloom, I see opportunity and potential. Out with the archaic, limited scope and in with the current, broader scope & ideas. You’ve complained about not being able to keep up with the changes to Seattle business structure and that it’s killing local industry yet our local economy grew faster than the national average and is speeding up in growth.
http://www.businessnewsdaily.com/8852-doing-business-in-washington.html
Your experiences and the experiences of the limited pool of people you know does not = the verifiable reality for everyone else.
November 6, 2016 at 10:38 pm #863813
J242ParticipantSo, apparently there seems to be a technical restriction on posts. If I attempt to post my full comment, it doesn’t register in the thread. If I C&{ snippets of it, same deal. I’m not sure what the issue is on this one.
WSB, any kinks in the upgrade you’re still working on that we should be aware of?
November 6, 2016 at 10:46 pm #863814
J242ParticipantDave, you’re assuming that what Trump tells you today is what he’s going to say tomorrow. He has zero consistency.
He supported (vocally, it’s on tape) freedom of choice before picking up the GOP nomination and now he’s staunchly pro-life along with his abhorrent running mate.
He supports immigration via his hiring but opposes it in speeches
He was for paths to citizenship (vocally, it’s on tape) before… Now he’s against itThe list goes on and on. It’s not my job or passion in life to explain all of this to you and it’s absurd that a grown person can be so tone deaf to it.
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