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April 12, 2008 at 3:27 am #586745
WSMomParticipanthttp://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/
Having spent the last hour reading all of the lies fed to me and the American public by the Bush admin in order to justify going to war with Iraq (and that’s just the first three months of 2003), I’m disgusted and overwhelmed with grief. This timeline needs to be widely disseminated. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Thank you JT for bringing this timeline to our attention.
April 12, 2008 at 5:24 am #622013
JoBParticipanti second that
May 2, 2008 at 9:29 pm #622014
Tonya42MemberDo you really think it’s wize to put complete trust in a site like this one?
May 2, 2008 at 9:37 pm #622015
AnonymousInactiveyes
May 2, 2008 at 9:47 pm #622016
TrickParticipantMay 2, 2008 at 9:49 pm #622017
JoBParticipantMay 3, 2008 at 1:11 am #622018
JanSParticipantJoB…don’t stop at Fox…put your trust in Bush? definitely not wise…
May 3, 2008 at 1:12 am #622019
JanSParticipantTonya…I’d really like to know…who do YOU put your trust in…?
May 3, 2008 at 1:20 am #622020
JoBParticipantok.. so we know the truth about me is that i don’t really put my trust in any news source… i fact check like crazy…
some publications just leave you less to fact check and mother jones is one of them.
May 15, 2008 at 11:09 pm #622021
Tonya42MemberWho do I trust, well not partisan sites for SURE.
JanS – Good question. I don’t know who to trust anymore so I pretty much question everything and everyone who portends to be telling the truth, there is nothing wrong with fact checking, just make sure the source you are using to fact check is valid.
May 16, 2008 at 7:44 pm #622022
KenParticipantFacts have a well known liberal bias.
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“All nationalists have the power of not seeing resemblances between similar sets of facts. Actions are held to be good or bad, not on their own merits but according to who does them, and there is almost no kind of outrage-torture, the use of hostages, forced labor, mass deportations, imprisonment without trial, forgery, assassination, the bombing of civilians-which does not change its moral color when committed by ‘our’ side.… The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them.â€
George Orwell,“Notes on Nationalism.†,1945
“There are many who believe George Bush is a liar – a president who knowingly and deliberately twists facts for political gain. But lying would indicate an understanding of what is desired, what is possible and how best to get there. A more plausible explanation is that words have no meaning for this president beyond the immediate moment. And so he believes that his mere utterance of the phrases makes them real. It is a terrifying possibility.”
Seymour Hersh
Chain of Command
“Those who cavalierly reject the Theory of Evolution, as not adequately supported by facts, seem quite to forget that their own theory is supported by no facts at all.”
–Herbert Spencer: Nineteenth-century English social scientist
“Propaganda does not deceive people; it merely helps them to deceive themselves.”
— Eric Hoffer
“I will make a bargain with the Republicans. If they will stop telling lies about Democrats, we will stop telling the truth about them.”
– Adlai Stevenson
May 16, 2008 at 7:51 pm #622023
walfredoMemberIt will be the most important point that Senator Obama must make in the general election; to link this disgraceful war in Iraq, with our rapidly declining economy.
At our core, we are a bit selfish and shortsighted. Iraq has dropped dramatically as the #1 issue in polling, but if you can make the (accurate) link between the Iraq war, the crumbling economy, and continue to point out that the only thing accomplished through all of this is that we have made ourselves less secure, we have given strength and legitimacy to our enemies, and we have overextended our military weakening our interests both home and abroad.
June 3, 2008 at 9:40 pm #622024
WSMomParticipantJune 3, 2008 at 9:56 pm #622025
AnonymousInactiveDo your own research and make your own determination. Go with your gut feeling.
That’s what I do.
I don’t really find all the youtube videos very informative.
I think you can pretty much find a video to illustrate any point of view.
My $0.02
June 3, 2008 at 10:21 pm #622026
AnonymousInactiveWell it would help if you had sound NR :) The only benefit to videos sometimes is to hear a person in their own words rather than someone’s interpretation of their words. I have to admit, unless a link is super important to the topic, I don’t always click on them. In this discussion format, I like to hear what my *neighbors* are thinking as opposed to the media.
I try to leave links that are more for follow-up to those interested, rather than the whole point. But there are times that someone else on youtube or a blog says what I’m feeling much better than I could.
June 3, 2008 at 11:21 pm #622027
AnonymousInactiveJT – Please don’t rub it in that I don’t have any sound…. STILL!!!!
June 4, 2008 at 1:00 am #622028
WSMomParticipantNew Res: I found this video very informative. Do you really not have sound? If not, I can understand why you would not find the link very helpful.
The video shows clips from every network which use the exact same language over and over, obviously using White House talking points, to describe their “puzzlement, disappointment” etc that a loyal nice guy like Scott McClelland could write such a book. This method is exactly what McClelland described as how the Bush Administration obfuscated the run up to war wit Iraq and the Valerie Plame outing. Interestingly, no one in the White House is disputing any of the facts of the book (yes, facts, I know, have a liberal bias), they’re pretty much just attempting to shoot the messenger.
The Daily Show and Colbert Report links were just for fun and to reiterate what the above video was illustrating.
It makes me incredibly sad for my country to find us constantly reminded of how little respect the Bush administration has for anyone who was not a true Republican believer. Bush said his base were the “haves and have mores”, and he governed to keep that base happy with tax cuts and a war for oil. McClelland say’s he’s written this book as a wake up call to get things to go differently in Washington. I hope we heed his warning.
Obama ’08.
June 4, 2008 at 5:57 am #622029
JanSParticipantNR…we just gotta get you some sound…I couldn’t live without it. How can we help? :)
June 4, 2008 at 6:09 am #622030
AnonymousInactiveJan, you know what they say, ignorance is bliss. If you can’t hear the truth, you can keep voting Republican.
Joking NR, don’t slap me!
June 5, 2008 at 2:05 am #622031
mhogfossMemberWow WSMom, powerful stuff. Gotta love doublespeak.
June 5, 2008 at 2:42 am #622032
seattlesueMemberAhem to that!
June 5, 2008 at 4:03 am #622033
amydunnParticipantThe spin that is put on thing is amazing, you really don’t realize it until it catches up with you.
June 10, 2008 at 6:08 pm #622034
WSMomParticipantWhy are we not hearing about the Senate report on the front page of the Seattle Times???
http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=171628&title=senate-intelligence-report
June 10, 2008 at 6:18 pm #622035
JanSParticipantThanks for the video, WSMom…he’s the best, isn’t he? and, yes, why is this being ignored?
June 10, 2008 at 9:26 pm #622036
WSMomParticipantThis just in from the Huffington Post. I’d love to say I was getting this from, say, The Washington Post, but no one else seems to be covering this very important story.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/arianna-huffington/the-big-story-you-may-hav_b_106159.html
“The (Senate) report doesn’t use the word, but we all know what it’s called when someone presents something as fact that’s directly contradicted by the evidence. A lie. Not a mistake. A lie.
Some specifics from Rockefeller’s statement:
Statements and implications by the President and Secretary of State suggesting that Iraq and al-Qa’ida had a partnership, or that Iraq had provided al-Qa’ida with weapons training, were not substantiated by the intelligence.
Statements by the President and the Vice President indicating that Saddam Hussein was prepared to give weapons of mass destruction to terrorist groups for attacks against the United States were contradicted by available intelligence information.
Statements by President Bush and Vice President Cheney regarding the postwar situation in Iraq, in terms of the political, security, and economic, did not reflect the concerns and uncertainties expressed in the intelligence products.
Statements by the President and Vice President prior to the October 2002 National Intelligence Estimate regarding Iraq’s chemical weapons production capability and activities did not reflect the intelligence community’s uncertainties as to whether such production was ongoing.
The Secretary of Defense’s statement that the Iraqi government operated underground WMD facilities that were not vulnerable to conventional airstrikes because they were underground and deeply buried was not substantiated by available intelligence information.
The Intelligence Community did not confirm that Muhammad Atta met an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in 2001 as the Vice President repeatedly claimed.”
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