WEST SEATTLE LIGHT RAIL: From ‘disappointed’ to ‘concerning,’ Sound Transit board-committee members’ reactions to new $ estimates

By Tracy Record
West Seattle Blog editor

In June 2016, the Sound Transit Board voted to go to the ballot with the ST3 plan, including light rail to West Seattle by 2030. At the time, the WS extension was bundled with the Ballard extension, and the cost of both was estimated to total $7.1 billion.

Eight years later, that’s the new high-end estimate for West Seattle light rail alone (Ballard is proceeding on a different track).

Revised cost estimates arrive as the board is on the verge of finalizing a route and station locations for the West Seattle extension. The Final Environmental Impact Statement is out, and the board’s Executive Committee was told today that a project recommendation is expected to emerge from the System Expansion Committee in just three weeks. But will it resemble the “preferred alternative” that’s been studied, given the new potential price tag?

ST’s new deputy CEO for megaproject delivery, Terri Mestas, spoke calmly about the “cost evolution” as she and West Seattle project leader Jason Hampton presented their update at the committee meeting. Mestas listed a wide variety of factors for the higher estimate, from the methodology used in estimating to the higher cost of materials such as concrete to “market conditions” such as a “limited labor and contractor pool.”

In addition, “process delays” and “pandemic impacts” figured into it too, Mestas said.

This was a briefing, not a prelude to a vote, so the committee members’ discussion was limited to some early takes. The committee’s chair, King County Executive Dow Constantine – observing that he’s the only board member who lives in West Seattle – said he’s “disappointed” by the new estimate. But, he stressed, it’s “important not to be paralyzed or overwhelmed” by the number, to get the project “designed and shovel-ready,” while moving ahead “in financially prudent ways.” He said he’s drafting a motion for next week’s full board meeting to “inform” their forthcoming financial decisions. Constantine opened his remarks with a defense of West Seattle light rail – which he led the fight to get into the ST3 ballot measure in 2016 – saying the peninsula needs “redundancy,” and citing a recent (unattributed) poll as showing that 72 percent of peninsula residents want light rail.

Committee member Claudia Balducci, a King County Councilmember from the eastside, invoked a modified version of the Serenity Prayer in her comments, saying it’s important to “understand what we can and can’t change … let’s get to work on what we can influence.”

Committee member Bruce Dammeier, Pierce County Executive, called the estimate “very concerning … we should all be concerned about the impact on the rest of the system … there may be some very difficult decisions ahead of us.” He also urged that the focus stay on “delivering ridership” rather than “the nicest stations” and other discretionary elements.

Speaking of ridership, West Seattle project leader Hampton recapped those projections during his part of the briefing, which was meant to hit key points of the Final EIS, not just the cost estimates:

Hampton noted that the high-end Junction estimate is what they’d expect to see there if the Avalon station is dropped – which remains a possibility – and that the Delridge ridership would in large part be people transferring from buses. He also briefly recapped the routing/station-location alternatives studied for the Final EIS; you can see those pages in the full slide deck.

Two routing-specific comments were heard from community members at the start of the meeting. First, a business owner at Jefferson Square – currently expected to be demolished for construction of the Junction station – said a coalition had come together around proposing that the location be moved a short distance east to the Bank of America site instead. Next, a property owner in the Avalon area said the DEL6A option makes more sense than the currently “preferred” DEL6B. She was followed by John Niles of Smarter Transit – whose Sound Transit-skeptic group held a West Seattle event two months ago – saying the WS project’s metrics are “unsustainable.” The numbers are “screaming ‘do not build’,” he contended. Marilyn Kennell, whose home is in the project’s potential path, said terms of the original 2016 vote allowed for reconsideration, and repeated calls for a West Seattle town hall – “We need a conversation.” And two other West Seattleites, Kim Schwarzkopf and Lucy Barefoot, urged that the project simply not be built.

Earlier in the meeting, there was a glimmer of hope on the financial front, when interim CEO Goran Sparrman (whose time in that role has just been extended into next year) talked about “reforms” he said had been recommended by ST’s Technical Advisory Group. He said they hope to apply some of them to the West Seattle project “as part of a suite of cost-control measures.”

So here’s the timeline they’re working on for decisionmaking – a routing/station-location recommendation on October 10, a board vote as soon as October 24:

But, as clarified in response to a question from Dammeier during committee members’ discussion, voting on “the project to be built” isn’t the same thing as allocating money for it – that would happen about two years later, Constantine and Mestas clarified. How much money will be needed – that depends on those “difficult” decisions in the weeks ahead. In the big picture, here’s the expected timeline for design and construction:

In ST3, West Seattle light rail was projected for a 2030 launch; in 2020, that was pushed to 2031; it moved to 2032 one year later, when ST “realigned” its multi-project schedule because of dramatically increasing costs.

REMINDER: Though the Final EIS has been available since last week, its official publication date is tomorrow (Friday, September 20), and ST plans a series of informational meetings starting next Wednesday:

When: Wednesday, Sept. 25, 4:30-6:30 p.m.
Where: Youngstown Cultural Arts Center, 4408 Delridge Way SW, West Seattle

Spanish, Vietnamese, and Somali interpretation will be provided.

When: Tuesday, Oct. 1, 4:30-6:30 p.m.
Where: Alki Masonic Center, 4736 40th Ave SW, West Seattle

Spanish and Vietnamese interpretation will be provided.

When: Wednesday, Oct. 2, 11 a.m.-1 p.m.
Where: Gallery B612, 1915 First Ave. S, SODO

37 Replies to "WEST SEATTLE LIGHT RAIL: From 'disappointed' to 'concerning,' Sound Transit board-committee members' reactions to new $ estimates"

  • Scarlett September 20, 2024 (5:37 am)

    West Seattle light rail is an insanely costly, insanely idiotic piece of infrastructure pork.  It reminds me of the “Bridge to Nowhere” in Alaska that was eventually scrapped in favor of simply expanding ferry service.   West Seattle Light Rail needs to be stopped in its tracks, via court if necessary.   

    • Hike September 20, 2024 (10:11 am)

      “Let’s drive up costs through endless delay, then use those costs as an excuse to cancel it!”Never seen such pure bad faith.

  • CarDriver September 20, 2024 (6:16 am)

    My prediction. Pro light rail people will say “we signed that blank check so just build it and we will happily pay whatever the cost is”.  Those of us on fixed income or not in a high paying job will be told “we don’t care if you can’t afford it-just move”

    • Himp September 20, 2024 (10:10 am)

      Yes, public transit is famously only for the rich. Only poor people drive cars. 

  • Seth September 20, 2024 (6:27 am)

    Checking in as a voter who wants light rail. Bring it on. The reason this price tag is so much higher is due to delay. 

  • Density Targets? September 20, 2024 (6:39 am)

    Where can info be found on the plan for significant new residential development needed to hit those daily boarding estimates? As project price tags go up, part of the discussion has to be how much housing density and where is needed to generate revenue to make it worth building and operating the thing. Or is that part of what Dammeier hinted at when mentioning the impact on the rest of the system? 

  • Junction resident September 20, 2024 (7:22 am)

    Spending money when we don’t have it is irresponsible. One station in west Seattle is fine. Have it be on Avalon and people can get there via bus, bike, or park and ride. The last thing we need is a new tax to support this mismanagement- please let our local officials know this is absurd and we can’t just figure it out later. Our city’s approach to growth is ridiculous. I have had enough with the mismanagement of funds (from school budget, to homelessness issue, to open drug use, to transportation) 

  • Brian Hughes September 20, 2024 (7:33 am)

    Ugh – that is a ton of money.  Check my math:  $7.1 billion divided by $3/ride = about 2.37 billion rides needed to payback the initial investment.  Divide that by 27,000 rides per day = 87,654 days to payback of initial investment.  Divide that by 365 days = just north of 240 years.  I have always been a rail supporter, but someone’s going to have to add to the list of positives in the ROI calculation in order for this to make sense.  You could provide every “household” (35,000 households) in West Seattle with a $45,000 electric car for about $1.6 billion.  Granted that wouldn’t solve the traffic problem and wouldn’t be as equitable in that only those who can drive would benefit.  But Dow (who I’ve always voted for/supported) and Sound Transit have some work to do here to justify this massive expense.  Oh, and we all know it won’t be $7.1 billion… so there’s that.

    • Chuck September 20, 2024 (10:14 am)

      “For the same price we could do something different that wouldn’t work” is certainly an argument.

  • Rob September 20, 2024 (7:37 am)

    At that price  they could just pay people to stay home. 

  • penpal September 20, 2024 (7:42 am)

    I still have a free ticket for the monorail opening day dated December 15 2007.

  • WS resident September 20, 2024 (8:04 am)

    So at what point do we say enough? Where do we stop? Billions more and still no guarantee that the project would be on time and on (this) budget…And we can’t find $100M for the education of our kids but this is ok? It’s time we rethink how our taxes are being allocated and get some real oversight on all infrastructure projects in this city. Politics and talks aside (bla-bla-bla), project managers need to be accountable. Enough with the blank checks. 

  • Goodforthebus September 20, 2024 (8:12 am)

    We don’t need light rail in west seattle

    • Churro Strength September 20, 2024 (2:22 pm)

      Yes, we do! I’m so sick of the lies that cars and busses are enough. 

  • Alki resident September 20, 2024 (8:17 am)

    Bwahahaha, that’s not even going to be the final tab. Kudos

  • wetone September 20, 2024 (8:27 am)

    Estimated cost of $7 billion projected today……most likely more when/if built. Total insanity for a 4 mile section of this build, let alone any build in the world for a 4 mile section for moving such few people. How anyone can justify the continuation of this project either has to be involved with project or a person  that  has never launched from family and has no reality of money. This also shows how bad our government has got when they continue to support this unnecessary unsustainable project. City/State should be able to build a new transportation corridor that covers vehicles, semi trucks, pedestrians, bicycles with a separate bus lane and don’t forget the train bridge (100+yrs old) that crosses the Duwamish River for T5 access for the price tag of a one purpose project that benefits very few. People need to remember that the life span of  High Rise and Swing Bridge is not that far out there…….. and this is reason to plan a joint project. Common Sense ………..

  • PDiddy September 20, 2024 (8:45 am)

    Huge money pit.

  • Davis September 20, 2024 (8:46 am)

    Former West Seattle resident… And I’m personally tired of my former neighbors in West Seattle who are trying to derail light rail into West Seattle… That group posted a comment where they said for the amount of money they’re spending Metro could purchase 5,000 buses… And my response is yes that’s nice, but on what road are you going to fit an additional 5,000 buses? Don’t get me wrong, my former neighbors, I understand that there is going to be some pain and some homes and businesses will be lost, but this transit future is not for us, but it is for our kids and our grandkids. There is no room left on the freeways, I work as a truck driver and I can tell you we cannot expand roads to get out of this problem and buses and other means of transportation needs roads. Light rail is the future. Sadly lack of foresight in this city for what we could and would become meant that we didn’t do this when it was cheaper to do when West Seattle wasn’t as desirable and was full of vacant lots everywhere you looked. Sound Transit has bonding authority way into the future and I kind of think they’re going to figure this one out and get it done. 

    • WS Guy September 20, 2024 (9:51 am)

      It would be cheaper to just build the new bridge as a bus-only rapid transit corridor and leave it at that.  No stations, no tunnels, no giant elevated guideways.  It would separate the buses from the car traffic, it’s more flexible, and it would allow buses to continue to offer a 1-seat ride to the entire peninsula. 

    • rick September 20, 2024 (10:02 am)

      And if you get 5,000 buses how much more infrastructure is needed to store the buses, pay the multitude of new drivers/maintenance workers for those new buses, etc.Traffic is already getting worse and worse to drive across the bridge, as the city keeps going it’s not going to get any better. We need more options to get downtown and light rail is it.

      • PDiddy September 20, 2024 (10:26 am)

        I rode the bus from West Seattle to downtown and back yesterday. Going east there were 3 of us on the bus, the return 4. If they cannot fill a bus what is the point of light rail. I see the rapid rides doing just fine. I am good with a separate bus only option if its feasible as it would be a whole lot cheaper than the ST3 fiasco. Who is to blame for having to redo all the tracks on the I90 corridor and its delays? Hard to say. But the cost is passed on to us and the ST people are still collecting paychecks. I have lived in WS for a lot of years and I do NOT see the need or justification to extend the link here. Its not going to change the traffic dynamic at all imo.

        • Oakley34 September 20, 2024 (11:09 am)

          I rode the 21 in and out yesterday and there were far more than that. But a not full bus is an excuse often used by anti transit folks justify further pullback from transit. ‘The bus that comes every 20 minutes isn’t full let’s have them come every 40’. This sort of thinking only pushes transit use down further as folks (me) who rely on mass transit actually need it to be reliably regular and frequent in order to justify ditching our cars…which more and more people should be doing in an urban setting.

        • Kitcat September 20, 2024 (1:20 pm)

          I totally agree with you. It’s a whole lot of expense for something that will not be used to its full potential. The buses are not full, the majority of people don’t use mas transit. Make what we have continue to work save tax payers the money and call it good.

          • Jif September 20, 2024 (2:12 pm)

            Transit is underused when it is infrequent, unreliable, and slow. Light rail solves these problems. That’s why it is popular around the world and successful in many cities, including our own. We have to invest in this well-proven infrastructure in order for people to use it, just like we had to build paved roads before people started mass adopting cars.

        • CAM September 20, 2024 (1:29 pm)

          Ha. I rode the bus yesterday, as I do everyday, and people were sandwiched together like sardines in there. But sure, you got on the bus with nobody on it so you must be an expert in the field of public transit. 

          • Rick September 20, 2024 (3:06 pm)

            Yeah, take the bus in the morning and afternoons and it’s packed during the week. I would purposely it get in a C Line in the morning and wait for the next one because they were too full.

  • Steph September 20, 2024 (9:21 am)

    If they can’t keep Harborview open without raising taxes then they certainly can’t afford to add light rail to West Seattle! If corporations want their workers to come to their facilities to work then they should pay for this. Vote NO. Although I crawled out of my sickbed to vote against a stadium decades ago, the very next day after it was defeated Gary Locke was working a deal to build it anyway. Just say NO.

    • K September 20, 2024 (9:42 am)

      *sigh*  Harborview and Sound Transit have two different funding sources.  There is also nothing to vote on at this time.  Sound transit has wasted tens of millions appeasing the “they’re not studying/listening/waiting enough” crowd and now, unsurprisingly, they’re way over budget.  Any minute now we’ll see the same people who caused these delays and overruns (54 million to study a gondola that was never a serious option, might I remind everyone) to say “told you so” about a situation they created.  Seattle process at its finest.

  • WS Guy September 20, 2024 (9:32 am)

    Dropping Avalon station and moving Junction station one block east is the smart move.  The BofA location is more central and smaller/cheaper than the entire Jefferson Plaza.

    • KM September 20, 2024 (10:42 am)

      BofA is the perfect spot. The space is one of the most underutilized in the entire Alaska junction.

    • Carol September 20, 2024 (1:40 pm)

      Love the suggestion to move the Alaska station one block east and drop the Avalon station. Keep the tunnel, reduce expense, and lengthen time/distance between stations while still preventing people from needing to walk up a steep hill to get to a WS station. I wonder if they are not considering that because the apartment buildings would get displaced, increasing the residential displacements.I live on 26th near Youngstown, and while I am going to miss the impacted businesses (they should get way more financial support from SDOT!) and I’m not looking forward to living near years of construction, light rail provides another mass public transit option without increasing traffic in a city ConsumerAffairs listed this month as having the third worst traffic in the country (https://www.consumeraffairs.com/automotive/cities-with-the-worst-traffic.html). Reliable public transit is critical for healthy urban living, and I want a more inclusive and accessible Seattle for me, my son, and future generations.This would be less expensive if previous voters had been more forward thinking. Agree that public funds need to be better managed – that can be true AND we need light rail in West Seattle that will later connect to the entire light rail network, letting West Seattleites reach the UW, Lynnwood, Everett, SEATAC airport, and Federal Way without using a car, or riding a bus that gets stuck in traffic.

  • Salal September 20, 2024 (10:30 am)

    A pipe dream that keeps turning into a nightmare. This spur line needs to be scraped. We all know the bridge itself has a giant band aid on it that’s going to fail eventually. Maybe money is best spent on looking towards mitigating that.

  • IHeartBPP September 20, 2024 (10:35 am)

    Ugh…”Cost evolution”. Another euphemism coined by unelected bureaucrats to cover their ineptitude. Right up there with “traffic calming”.   

  • Paul September 20, 2024 (2:22 pm)

    This project is not worth the cost & should be immediately cancelled.

  • Chris K September 20, 2024 (2:23 pm)

    If the project happens cost will soar above $10 billion before completion. This is the way of Sound Transit. 

  • West Seattle Bubble September 20, 2024 (2:38 pm)

    So we can afford $7+ billion for a light rail that if anything will reduce jobs in the area but we can’t afford $100 million for local schools, can’t afford $50 million to fund the public health clinic, can’t afford to hire more bus drivers, ferry operators, Police/CARE officers, etc. It just sounds asinine to me at this point. Can anyone pro-light rail really say it’s more important than schools or the public health clinic? If you’re worried about underprivileged individuals in the area I can almost guarantee they would rather have access to properly funded schools for their children and public health resources for themselves and their families at a fraction of the cost.

  • Andros September 20, 2024 (2:53 pm)

    I was never a fan.  Specifically because this line was going to take until 2032 to complete.  That was so far in the future, it just didn’t seem realistic at all.  Now with the additional cost of this, I really don’t know what the answer is.  If we scrap it, then we wait until 15 years??  If we go for it, then it’s terribly expensive and will be underutilized.  No solution here.  The original solution wa bad.  This is still bad.  

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